No sex please, we’re… NUDISTS???
Calling it a way to “open the door for dialogue” between the resort and its homeowners, Anne Hathorn, of the Clearwater firm of Becker & Poliakoff, said the resort must cut off ties with Web sites that promote the swinger lifestyle, tighten control on the use of Caliente’s name in event advertisements and where the ads are distributed, and get Caliente reinstated in the American Association for Nude Recreation.
Caliente Resort said it plans to keep on marketing to those it calls “nontraditional nudists.”
Caliente was embroiled in controversy last month when the association temporarily suspended its membership and opened an investigation into sexually charged monthly parties at Caliente organized by Aahz Party Lifestyle Group, a “lifestyle,” or swingers, group with Caliente’s blessing.
The association promotes family-friendly nudism. Its investigation puts at stake Caliente’s access to marketing assistance and membership subsidies for tourists, among other advantages.
Here’s one for the category of ironic parallelism…
They come there looking for freedom, a chance to throw off the oppressive constraints of society and run free in their (largely) wrinkled, middle-aged birthday suits — “just as God intended it.”
Then they create a complicated series of rules and regulations for what constitutes appropriate freedom, a homeowners association to back it and retain a lawyer to enforce their definitions of freedom… It seems oppression follows wherever rule-keeper type people are…
Sounds a lot like Evangelical Christianity doesn’t it??? We too set out to create a place supposedly based based on grace with its calling of freeing people from the bondage to law and judgment that has trapped them in that which formerly was (A system of law, sin and death) and unable to breath free.
Then we create a place sanctioned by Revenue Canada, governed by a federally approved charter, led by a talking head (we misname a pastor), controlled by an elected board issuing edicts (which we misname the elders) and managed by staff people (often misnamed the deacons) hired under their agreement to uphold a code of conduct and do what that board tells them to do. We preach a gospel of performance and moralizing and flood people with good-works systems and, “Opportunities,” to perform such in to prove that they really belong — and guilt them into doing such.
And, then we wonder why it becomes a place of fear, shame and the bondage of a tiny minority’s control with people living in the exact opposite of what Jesus came to bring.
And, worst of all, we do so because we can’t believe that Jesus/the Gospel has any real power. We can’t believe that setting people free will unleash love and community — not selfishness. We can’t believe that preaching real grace (Not the performance based version) will draw people to heal — not to wreak the lives of others. We can’t believe that creating a church where the broken messes of our lives are spilling out all over the place (where everyone is ok with those messes being there) and relying on God to heal them (Rather then using judgment based performance to fix it) could actually create a church where it is safe to be — not a haven for abusers. We can’t even fathom that the absence of structure could actually inspire creativity — not anarchy.
We can’t — because, if we’re honest with ourselves, we don’t really believe that Jesus is real or that He can heal. So, we’ve created our own systems. Surprise surprise, they suck.






June 23rd, 2008 at 12:41 pm
I’m confused. How did we get from nudists to Evangelical Christian churches being repressive neocon-sweat factories?
Grace is not the absence of moral law or conduct. That would be better defined as anarchy. Just seems to me that Moses, the prophets, Jesus, Paul, and all the apostles communicated from God a somewhat low tolerance for clearly defined sinful behavior.
Since when is that a bad thing created by those nasty “Evangelicals”?
Of course that’s just my opinion, I could be wrong.
July 7th, 2008 at 2:58 am
Hi Billy,
I’m just gonna ignore the first comment as your second paragraph clearly implies you already fully understand it. The second definitely deserves a response:
According to Romans 7, you died with Christ to the law, to sin, to death and to anything that could ever put you under the curse of such again. When you were raised with Christ, you were raised to a life that relates to none of the above.
Billy, I’m gonna assume you are male (though I have no idea if Ontario — your WHOIS IP search resolves to Toronto — has this name common as a woman’s name…)
Let’s say I gave you an assignment to go out and commit an act of public indecency through the exposure of your breasts, could you do it? The obvious answer is, “No.” You can not break a law that only applies to women.
In Christ, the same thing is true of us. How can you break a law that does not apply to you? Sin is missing the mark that was set by the law.
If you have a look at the words of Jesus for what they are, (and quit taking things like the sermon on the mount as a new law for a new covenant which is exactly like the old one) then you discover that Jesus actually was much more concerned with hearts then He was with ethical performance. Paul did write copious amounts about ethics — of course he also wrote:
1Cor. 6:12 ¶ All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything.
Titus 1:15 To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled.
Rom. 14:14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
Clearly Paul had a primary message that was a constant while he told one culture’s women to, “Sit down and shut up,” and the second’s that a woman was a chief elder. While he told one culture’s women to, “Put on your burkas,” and the second’s to, “Never hide or shave their hair.”
That message was a message of freedom — that in Christ we are forever freed to do anything and it will never separate us from or alter the love of God for us. As Paul made it clear in Cor 6, while he is free to do anything, the new heart He had been given was so profoundly transformed he no longer wanted to be in bondage.
Or, maybe Jesus only died to release us from the dietary laws so we could eat Jr. Bacon Cheese-burgers at Wendys? (If so, He’d be too insane to worship…)
That being said, so many of the things the law prohibited still remain profoundly stupid and will place us in addictive bondage.
Evangelicalism has created a gospel profoundly obsessed with moralizing and with performance oriented systems for the control of any violations of such.
Real Christianity is still profoundly ethically concerned — it’s concerned with the damage a human heart suffers when it does stupid things. Real Christianity has a cure too — an invitation to an intimate, conversational relationship with Jesus so powerful that it forever frees the person from the guilt and shame that separates from the person’s own heart, from the heart of God and from the hearts of others.
Yes, that’s the TOTAL absence of law but that is NOT in any way anarchy or the absence of a transformed life.
In a whole relationship with God, self and others, the needs of the human heart are so met that the stupid addictive ways we numb ourselves out from living just fall away.
Who would go to drink swamp water once already standing under a water fall?
I’m going to assume that you are actually searching and questioning and you really want to be free. If so, go here:
http://www.realanswers.net/realanswers/?p=18
and here:
http://theshovel.net/writings/dig.asp?TID=51&KW=poles+apart
You may find something that ties you in knots and frees you all at once.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:17 am
BTW: I apologize for how long it took your comment to be posted. I use some highly aggressive spam filtration softwares and nonsense email addresses are rejected out of hand. I only found your comment by chance.
As you can now see, your email address is not posted and you will not be spammed. Please either use the exact same nonsense email address (I’ve cleared it for posting) — or use a real one and your posts will on the page much quicker.
July 7th, 2008 at 6:32 am
Cal, ITA with almost everything you’ve said and don’t really think I can add anything. I only have a question about this statement – can you explain what this means? “Clearly Paul had a primary message that was a constant while he told one culture’s women to, “Sit down and shut up,” and the second’s that a woman was a chief elder. While he told one culture’s women to, “Put on your burkas,” and the second’s to, “Never hide or shave their hair.”
Thanks
July 7th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Wow, what a fascinating conversation! It’s so wholesome to actually think and to move into new adventures in freedom. Is this dialog based on the good news that Jesus is truly God, that He has full authority in Heaven and on Earth, & that the truth will really set us free? Free from what???
I am taken with the fact that whenever I abandon my own self generated efforts to be pleasing or acceptable to myself, others, or God, I feel a joy and a radiance such as to cause me to actually want to live forever. It is then that others are drawn to me and a peace washes over whatever present social situation. I also then see the beauty of others, their perfectness, their uniqueness.
It is the joy of being at rest in the arms of Jesus, trusting Him and not my performance. I have noticed in the past that whenever I have started to “throw around my performance” for desperate approval that people would roll their eyes and move away from me….
It has been a relief to cast away to the cross my old need for approval. It is a blessing to live in the freedom of an adventure in ever increasing intimacy with Jesus and my friends. Sometimes it scares me and I go into hiding. It is not long before i can’t stand it and the naturally accompaniment of depression. Jesus calls me out and away we fly.
It’s good news.
I am tired of the guilt trips. I noticed that when my eyes are fixed on Jesus there is no guilt. One church I know actually was doing a series on the 10 commandments and talked about lying one day. Then a few weeks later, a pastor drilled the congregation if they had “lied” since then. “COME ON , FESS UP, YOU DIRTY ROTTEN SINNERS………”
I know what the woman at the well felt when she met Jesus. Something happened. She did not go running back to the town and start trying to clean up her “dirty sinful” life. She exuberantly ran back and told everyone she could find that she had met the one…. {and “many believed in Him because of the woman’s testimony”}. It is quite inconceivable to me that after truly meeting Jesus she ran back to town and began the long and arduous life time (futile) efforts to “clean up her life” and prove to the “morally upright” people of the town that she was actually someone of importance and that she could live a moral life too! (I have no doubt that there were some who continued in their attempts at condemning her to make their morally upright appearance seem radiant in comparison to her dirty life…)
It is more conceivable, to me, that her countenance and undeniable radiance, her transformed heart, led her & others to desire a new life. A life drawn by His spirit, His love, His strength. A life that shot miraculously high above the constraints of a moral attempt at true life.
Because without shame and guilt, which lead only to wallowing in pig dung and doing things like hanging out with a guy that doesn’t have an honest clue about how to honor her…………….
What do you guys think happened???
I wish I had been there to see the look in his and her eyes.
But really I don’t need to, because He has done the same to me…
it is really easier to keep our eyes on the law that leads to death (death is the reward of sin;sin is a life lead apart from God, apart from full relationship with him & bent on self determined efforts to do it alone…).
Why is it easier?
I think because it leads to conformity with the masses. Because to be set apart is terrifying. Or is it?
The high risk investments pay off. and in this case a life for a life.
We can rest too that God will work all things for the good of those who love him.
Why ARE we afraid of Jesus? If he is perfect & did not, does not, sin, then why would we need moral constraints if we live in HIM????????????????? ANY CONSTRAINTS MUST BE IN NOT LIVING IN FULL FREEDOM, FULL LOVE, FULL HONOR, FULL LOVING OTHERS AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF…
Those kinds of constraints cannot possibly come from God. Where are they coming from then…..?????
Love Viv.
July 7th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
where are the constraints coming from? Vivian, my answer is maybe they partly come from us and our disbelief in a totally loving God – that God could totally love us as we are, unconditionally, etc. as it is difficult to grasp. I often equate my heavenly Father with how my earthly Father would / has been and the two are not even close!
Another reason for the constraints is the co-mingling of law and grace by certain churches, preachers, etc.
Law and grace cannot be co-mingled successfully:
http://www.realanswers.net/realanswers/?page_id=42
http://www.realanswers.net/newsletter/February2006/february_2.html
http://www.realanswers.net/realanswers/?p=67#more-67
July 8th, 2008 at 2:11 am
Hi Kathy,
Ya, I guess that was rather obscure…
Ok, one of the primary ways evangelicalism has managed to convince us that the New Covenant is no different from the Old Covenant is via the use of the different directives Paul set to different peoples he wrote letters to. The reasoning is: “Paul said to do or to not do this that and the other thing. Those rules look like the Old Covenant so there still must be a set of rules we have to follow or we’re bad.”
There’s a little issue with that though — Paul’s rules really weren’t all that consistent. He, for another example, admitted he was into eating food offered to idols and thought the whole thing was stupid — then he told another group not to do so. (The previously mentioned comments are just other examples.)
Evangelicalism has a strange system of categorization for the NT rules — some, they claim, were just cultural (Head coverings for example) — and thus do not need to be followed. (Of course, they can’t even seem to agree on head coverings either.) The definition for cultural is essentially anything where they can find some contradiction somewhere. Everything else is a law…
However, there is a bigger contradiction here, a whole lot of Paul’s letters seem to start with Paul telling people about what it means to be totally free. It’s only then he starts with what is made into a new law. Is Paul a little schizophrenic? Or, were the directives coming from some other source then our Old Covenant thinking?
Perhaps there were two messages here:
(1). Total freedom that draws one into intimacy with Jesus and a life transformation from such.
(2). A whole series of reflections on our anthropology — what it means for us to be human — as it applied to their various cultures. Reflections that were not intended to be a new law for a new covenant — rather to simply be the heart of a pastor saying, “Please don’t do anything stupid and hurt yourselves,” in ways that fit with who they were and the culture they lived in.
If Paul really meant that they were free, then we can’t read his writings through ANY OTHER lens but that of total freedom from anything that would ever separate them from God. That has to be the foundation for counseling people as well.
Christian Counseling is not preaching and moralizing. Neither is it psychology with a little Jesus thrown in for good measure.
Ros and I are not here to tell my clients that they are evil and twisted — we are here to tell them, as 1 Corinthians 6 states, that they have been washed, that they have been made new and that they are forever blameless — that they will never be condemned again. Yet, we are not here to tell them that whatever they decide to do is wonderful for we all, very clearly, have lived out profound erosions of our anthropology (of who we were created to be) and those erosions do damage our hearts. There is no psychological model out there that can handle those two statements other then the Gospel.
Without a grasp of how terribly and totally broken we are as a species, we can never experience a holy excitement about how loved we really are.
Every single person will somehow manage to violate the law of God in the next thirty seconds. Want me to prove it? OK. (Some of you just committed the sin of arrogance because you are questioning how that could be true of you — the rest of you just committed the sin of self centered contempt after you dug up your secret thought crime — except for those of you who committed the worst sin of all — you’re ignoring me…)
Unless we come to that, we are still, at some level, going to reject ourselves for His love will never settle into the deep places of our hearts. Joy filled pessimism = I will never come to the end of my brokenness because it is who I am — and that’s absolutely amazing!!!!!
It’s amazing because, In that state, God in his love gave me a new heart — a New ID. In Romans 8:15 Paul makes it so clear that I may once have been a homosexual or an adulterer or a gossip but that is no longer who I am for He forever has moved me out of a system where I could be known as such. Because of such, I am freed to climb out of the mud puddle I have been rolling in, to run right into the presence of a Holy God, climb up on His lap, wrap my arms around His neck and squeal Dadda and receive love from Him for I have been made holy. The impact of the Gospel is first and foremost relationship — whatever happens after that is just a bonus — not the goal.
In other words, my response to that love IS the transformation of the Gospel in me. (It may have an ethical look to it but the improvement to ethics is irrelevant — ethics are only one evidence of transformation — not the transformation itself.) Make no mistake about it though, the impact of that intimacy with Jesus is always life transforming.
Many counselors commit a cardinal error here — they instead make the behavior the issue and stopping such the goal. Gal 2:16-21 addresses that problem “But if, while seeking to be justified in Christ, we ourselves have also been found sinners, is Christ then a minister of sin? May it never be! “For if I rebuild what I have once destroyed, I prove myself to be a transgressor.
Paul is saying something critical there that I’m going to try paraphrase:
“If you, in your desire to be holy, have again adopted a performance and rule based system of evaluating whether you are acceptable and have used the Gospel to justify such, then you are making Christ Lord over a system of death again for having to perform killed me in that it made me want to be bad. That can’t happen. If we again put together a system of rules (Written on new tablets of stone) to follow in place of the new law (written on tablets of flesh), all you manage to do is to again make yourself into a person under the condemnation of your new system of rules which Christ came to abolish.” (Stone/flesh metaphor taken from Ez. 36:26-27)
My relationship with God results in a growing towards different desires which become the foundation for my ethics — ethics that no longer come out of the law but out of who I now know that I truly am and long to live out such. I can truly be free from the law — and loving to those around me and not in any way stand in inconsistency. The loving actions are not motivated by the oldness of the letter of the law but, instead, I serve in the newness of the Spirit.
That’s freedom.
July 8th, 2008 at 5:58 am
I have a question about addictions. It is sort of related to your last post Cal. Could A Christian that recovers from alcoholism but then appears to be going on to substitute one addiction (i.e. food) for the old addiction (alcohol) be truly free in CHrist? Truly recovered from the bonds of addiction?
This is better than church! LOL. Enjoying this. maybe I’ll take this Sunday off lol.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:18 am
Thanks Kathy!
Do you think, too, that we have a deep seated fear of being truly known and that a continually deeper call to intimacy with God and others is terrifying?
That would at least explain to me the sometimes inane programming that passes for loving others in the church.
There is really no programming to Jesus; there is just one surprise after another. And true growth, it seems to me, is furthered only by trusting in, and following Him. It’s wild.
Another paradox –
“taking a wild ride while believing you are on a foundation of rock” – verses – “sucking dead words from a cracked tablet of stone while pretending to be alive and well.”
Hi ho hi ho….
July 8th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Vivian, I can’t answer for everyone, but I’d say for me being “known” is a bit intimidating yes. It’s far easier for me to hide my light under a bushel so to speak than risk one’s judgment, etc. by sharing who I really am.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:19 am
Hi Kathy,
Firstly, recognize that the person in question has not recovered from ANYTHING.
Ok, there’s two levels to that:
(1). Christ has set us free. Period. That person is as free in Christ as He or she will ever be.
(2). That person is living under a lie that causes him to live under the curse of the law, shame, guilt and under a distrust of the goodness of God and what He created to meet the person’s needs. Thus, that person chooses to numb the pain of his heart rather then meet the needs so the pain goes away.
The two dudes who started AA both ended their lives hopelessly addicted — just not to alcohol. They both legitimately claimed freedom in Christ — AND they just switched addictions.
Simple reality: Our freedom in Christ has NOTHING to do with the present reality we can see. The present reality (Addiction for example) we can see, however, is a pretty good indicator of the lies believed and the pain living under those lies is inflicting on the human heart.
The only question is whether the person is going to align his heart, life and belief systems with the reality that actually is — as opposed to what appears to be.