Ok, this guy needs no other intro except to have his videos posted:
His mission: “To find those with holy hand grenades up their butts and pull the pin…”
BTW: 100 Huntley St. got massive feedback over this. About 60% of the comments were hugely positive — but the other 40% (Coupled with raw cowardice) caused them to refuse to replay his interview and erase any evidence of it ever having been aired. (Not even the KGB could erase something that well.)
Think about it: 60% of those who are watching this (A massively conservative Evangelical audience to begin with) are on his page — and there is such a limited grasp of the situation the Church is in that all 100 Huntley St. can do to cope with reality is to try to deny it.
If this is any indication, the bricks and mortar church is likely already dead — it just hasn’t noticed it yet.






June 9th, 2009 at 8:01 am
Hi Cal, Huntley Street should have had the balls to keep this. But oh no we’ll just be like the rest of the Evangelical Church – Live in denial (the bricks & mortar church isn’t dead, it’s only sleeping, to paraphrase Monty Python [seems appropriate to quote Monty Python in this situation eh?] and sweep him and anyone else and anything else under the carpet.
How do we (as in the Emerging Church types, grace and freedom gospel) “rise up” – esp. without the knowledge base to fight this sort of censorship. The censorship is part of a greater problem. Grace and freedom vs. legalistic religion.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:16 am
HI Kathy,
Aren’t you already doing it?
Besides, their attempt at censorship (good luck) just magnifies what they are trying to hide. It’s hilarious. Just say hallelujah. And then watch all attempts to stop, dull, deny, demystify Jesus with amusement. That is if you have time. Cause really, you might be living your life so gusto-like that you may not really care. And more importantly as the light uncovers what is in darkness steadily, isn’t it great that as each of takes another step towards real life, there is actually a place happening with real people there?
Viv.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:30 am
Hi Kathy,
I’d say that this guy is really part of the solution. He’s out on the airwaves, he’s the top rated Christian broadcaster in North America right now and he’s creating chaos they have to face.
They may erase his video — but cyberspace is way too powerful for that — it’s going to be distributed and probably all the more now that they attempted to censure him.
Evangelicalism built this cage through their financial clout and their grasp of broadcast technology. The power they formerly had concentrated in the hands of a few is now replicated millions of times over and in the hands of the masses via the internet.
The problem is, most of the Emerging Church has given up on the Bricks and Mortar Church entirely — so they just quietly walked away. With them went the war that should have been fought.
If we figure that the 6 Million copies of William Paul Young’s book, The Shack, have been read by 10 million people and assume that 1/2 of them got it, we have a minimum of 5 Million people world wide who really get grace and freedom.
What if all 5 Million of them simply put up a blog and started linking to each other? Barbie and Ken wouldn’t even show up on a Google search…
Cal
June 12th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
The problem with the Emergent movement is that their whole purpose is to merely tear down the existing establishment. I know this from personal interaction with a great many involved in this.
If the whole point of the movement is to tear down, then the movement is doomed to fail, as it eventually has to become an organized movement to survive long term. I would even say they have many good ideas, but they are too busy being idealistic and not busy enough being pragmatic.
I also wouldn’t say they’ve walked away, as much as they can no longer function under the radar. Or maybe that’s why they’re walking away. Who knows. Either way, taking away fellowship is not liberation, it is isolation.
Of course, that’s just my evangelical observation.
June 13th, 2009 at 1:15 am
Hi Billy,
Yes, yes, yes, a thousand times yes!!!
Couple of definitions:
Emerging: Describing the 52%-53% of evangelical believers who are out of the door of the bricks and mortar church and, while not having left the faith or community, are also not coming back. They are meeting in house churches with groups between 8 and 25 people as their community of worship and service. By and large, they test out as more orthodox then those in the brick and mortar church. They shy away from publicity, avoid organization and generally are highly relational in focus. They are, almost exclusively, New-Covenant in theological position.
Emergent: A very small subset of the emerging church. While emerging is a wider, informal, house-church based, global movement, Emergent refers to an official organization, the Emergent Village, associated with Brian McLaren, and has also been called the “Emergent stream.” More often then not, they are still part of a brick and mortar church — but a rather strange one… They are highly philosophical, deeply post modernist and remarkably aggressive. They are highly inclusive though and are quite willing for you to drop by and deep breath, play with rosary beads and chant over some incense while drunk and wearing a bunny suit…
At the group that meets at our house Thursday nights, we wouldn’t need to enforce any rule against that — the hysterical laughter would put an end to it quickly enough…
You are very correct in your assessment of the destructive actions of at least the more vocal parts of the Emergent stream — it’s just about anger. Recognize though that they may represent 1%-3% of the Emerging Church whole — if that.
There are two reasons for walking away too: Emergent has walked to band together and rage at the machine for the most part — but are still in the visible church. Emerging has simply gone looking for deeper — the problem is they are SO silent and nearly invisible.
Nearly none of them have left fellowship though — it’s just not a Christian country club filled with 5k people on Sunday morning. Even Stats Can numbers back that statement — though that doesn’t stop the caricatures of the lone wolf emergent/emerging member praying alone in the basement which are being painted by institutional church leadership…
My comments above were about the Emerging Church — frankly, they are so silent, the rest of the world thinks that 1%-3% Emergent Church speaks for them. Most of us think the 3% is just whacked…
I do have to comment on one part though — the Emerging Church has already taken over at least 50% of church members in North America. It’s doing rather well with only the Spirit of God leading it. Like He fought to lead the people of Israel Himself (Until they demanded a king) and the New Testament Church (Though Jesus had to put several upstart disciples who wanted the helm in their places). The Pope DEFINITELY WASN’T an idea Jesus invented…
Cal
June 13th, 2009 at 9:55 am
See, we can agree on something!
However, I disagree on which “Spirit” is leading the movement. Wink. The fruits seem contrary to that of the Holy Spirit.
Again, my observations.
June 13th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
“We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.” — The Borg, Star Trek: First Contact (1996)[6]
June 14th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
If you’re implying that Evangelicals are all the same ( Borg ), then you may want to broaden your social base. I’m evangelical, and I’m different as others are different from each other. People are people, and no two are alike.
But I’ll hand you this, emergents or emerging ( tomato tomatoe ) are anything but all the same. As with any postmodernist system, theology is usually made-to-order. The creeds of Christendom are fair game, or are dispensed with altogether as long as experience comes first.
Like I said, I’ve met a lot of you folks, so I only speak from personal contact.
If evangelicals have problems, then postmodernists even more so.
June 14th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Hi Billy,
Ummmm, I think you got that backwards…
It wasn’t us that was gonna be assimilated…
Cal
June 15th, 2009 at 6:05 am
I wasn’t refering to you. ( Borg comment ).
Anyways, the guy in this video is trying way to hard to be cool.
I can make some sweeping accusations against postmodernists too. Disrespect for elders, compromised theology, tearing down not building up, licentious grace abuse, talk and no action. See? Piece of cake.
But to try and overcompersate like this guy seems sad somehow. He absolutely has some good things to say. Yes the church should do more. BUT the church IS doing plenty too. Is the cup half full or half empty? It just seems like he’s snowshoeing through life no better than we are and while having valid ctitisisms, is just as short on answers.
But the church cannot fix every boo-boo. That’s not practical and it wouldn’t be right. At some point, only YOU can help YOU.
Like I said before, we could make a megachurch of Cal and Drew clones and it would fare no better. The poor and the needy would be in the same spot. The imperfection of humanity.
June 16th, 2009 at 2:27 am
Hi Billy,
Ok — I was referring to me though…
Cal
June 16th, 2009 at 10:29 am
I was refering to you refering to evangelicals. Ah screw it.